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Phaedron
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Post The Truth about Lucifer
on: October 8, 2012, 15:53
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lol, Drake is making it harder for me to promote him among the Bible folk. Actually, Lucifer is only used once and only once in the Bible to describe the human king of babylon. The word itself is latin and was invented in 384. Now, if there is a being/angel/alien out there calling himself Lucifer, or lightbearer, or morning star, or any other derivative of the word, the Bible has nothing to say about him. Satan was called the serpent, deceiver of the world, and there is nothing calling satan the lightbearer. Actually, the title of Morning Star is given to Jesus, in fact there were even Christians who took the name Lucifer believing it was another name for Jesus.

So ultimately I agree with Drake, Lucifer is given a bum rap by the churches who don't understand the only reference to that name in the Bible is to the human king of babylon. It is thanks to Miltons Paradise Lost that the rumor of Lucifer got started, along with all the other unbiblical Catholic doctrines that were invented by Popes and came out of nowhere, who admit they make up their own traditions.

Outside of the Bible Lucifer has been used by the Illuminati to describe the notion of the sun god, baal, helios, apollos, etc, but even that is not an actual being with an actual name, its merely symbolic of sun worship just like the nonexistence queen of heaven represents the female, nuit, isis, or darkness, the universe vs the amon ra, etc. They also make Jesus into a sun god. The ancients looked up at the night sky and saw woman as darkness and man as the light, so what started as basic duality degraded into a pantheon of gods and goddesses.

In any case, were I to meet this Lucifer angel Drake is talking about, I would not judge him according to any of the hype that people have falsely invented around him. I'm not going to worship him, but like any other being let him stand or fall based on his own actions. Even if Lucifer is Jesus I'm still only going to worship God in his name when he became the sacrifice.

Having relistened to Drake's answer to the Lucifer question in the most recent show: sunday the 7th, he did say do a serious study of Babylon. Perhaps he did know that the Lucifer reference was referring to Nebuchadnezzer, the king of Babylon. Then again, his not separating the distinction of lucifer and satan as two different things makes me wonder.

I should also point out, and very very few know this, that the Hebrews replaced the true name of God with YHWH, which refers to the five sided star Tetragrammaton, and Qabalah, which is actually the synagogue of satan, and has been admitted by Freemasons to be the very core of their tradition, and appears in occult texts to summon and control demons. The true name is completely unprofaned even by the worst of them:

http://jesus-messiah.com/studies/sacred-name.html

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Post Re: The Truth about Lucifer
on: October 14, 2012, 21:40
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looked at that site its pretty interesting about the fact that they were speaking aramaic and it was an offshoot of babylons language.

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Post Re: The Truth about Lucifer
on: October 22, 2012, 04:03
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The singular theme that seems to bind almost all the symbolism and literature of religion together is light. This light is represented in the material world by the sun itself and in the spiritual sphere by the holy inner light. In fact the exterior light of the sun and the interior light of the holy spirit seems to be almost interchangeable at will (by the symbolism of for example the eye in the triangle) and the interior light is even referred to as the second sun. This obsession can be seen to have originated in large part during the 18th dynasty reign of the Egyptian pharaoh Akhenaten. There are quite obviously earlier origins but the ideas seem to have gotten codified and integrated to a large extent at this point in history.

Another way this light is sometimes represented is as the snake, seen on statues of pharaohs like Akhenatens, at the third eye chakra (or Ajna chakra) point in the middle of the forehead.

The snake can be seen as the kundalini energy awakened at the base of the spine and sent through the chakras by doing intense meditation and yoga and or psychedelic drugs. These concepts are ones that are more often connected to the Yogi’s of India and it is interesting to find them represented here in Egypt. Further many shamans all over the world, but more specifically the Amazonian shaman, connect the serpent with the teacher gods or snake space entities. You can find these concepts about snake teachers being discussed at length in Jeremy Narby’s “The Cosmic Serpent”. I believe the snake teachers connect with the inner light concept through the attainment of cosmic consciousness by accessing information directly through the DNA during intense ecstatic states and then attributing this DNA knowledge with coiled snakes due to the pictorial similarity between the DNA double helix and the coiled serpents.

I also believe that the secret societies have in the past and do quite probably today use psychedelic plants to access higher states and contact “The Great White Brotherhood” or the “Inner Head” located at the third eye point or pineal gland. Some of these people do probably believe they contact beings outside of themselves, others believe they speak to facets of there own higher self. More astutely (in my opinion) people like Aleister Crowley and Robert Anton Wilson saw these phenomena as a mixture of both. My point here is to show again that symbolic light can be connected to internal or external phenomena depending on how the individual interprets the experience of cosmic consciousness. The secret society symbols show this time and time again like the caduceus. The caduceus with its winged disc symbolizing at the same time both the inner and outer suns.

The use of sacred symbols in the mainstream media is part of a bigger secret society “uber” ritual playing itself out in the theatre of the “real” world today. The Earth itself with its billions of people, cities and countries being the magickal elements in a giant mega ritual moved around by illuminated forces. If this sounds alarming to you, good, we have to recognize this and take the power we have given these folks back into our own hands!

All things that come into being have a reason for their existence although intellectual lethargy, together with the passage of time, assists many fallacies to appear before us in the guise of fact.

All that is required for a historical lie to be accepted as historical truth is the passage of historical time. This particular phenomenon has been, and continues to be, on the minds of the world’s most devious myth-mongers who seek to further the deceptive industry of their predecessors. Those who have arranged the subject of history so that men see what they are meant to see and so that they know only that which they are meant to know, are profoundly aware of how the simple passage of time aids them in their heinous work.

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Post Re: The Truth about Lucifer
on: October 23, 2012, 21:55
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Well said.

Jesus spoke highly of the light, why would anyone want to demonize it? I just mean, the churches say one thing, and you look and study and find that the stuff just ain't there to support it. This conflict between religiousity, the churches and the actual sacred texts, along with the truth, gets to be quite involved subject. Thats all I'll say on it at the moment, but I encourage people to look beyond the hype when it comes to these things, and the hype surrounding Lucifer.

Just as in the earth there is dust and diamonds, and former is far more abundant, truth spreads like a rumor that becomes taller and taller in the telling. The more popular it becomes, the more inaccurate it becomes. The world starts out deceived.

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Post Re: The Truth about Lucifer
on: November 14, 2012, 22:11
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What I heard: "Lu", "L" How I refer to him (because I'm scared to mention his name, Lucifer. Is the Soul Lineage starting with, in the very begininng of time as the massive being that encompassed the canvass of all space. He was consciouness, with a very small astral etheric body compared to his unbelievable massive space body. He was supposedly midnight blue color in the beginning, then turned into black space. At that time ( Age) I refer to him as Cosmos/ "Lu" (Cosmo). He was my Third Union. He is also described and identified to me as Krishna, in an Heavenly Earthly existence/incarnation. Krishna means/translates into Christ. Suppossedly, he is also the First Father, that procreated with me, My son ( "Jesus Christ" now), my First Son with him after my First Union with God and Mars (Jesus, Sometimes was Christ too - Second Union )- In a galactic age before Sacred Earth creation. "Lu" has other names. "Lu", Satan and the Devil are three separate entities. Sometimes, I think they use 'Devil' as a 'honorary title' even though there is the main one. Natalia, means birth of Christ. That was supposedly one of my first names.They told me that they refered to me as (phonetically) "Lo" (my First name) which latter turned into Love. My First Humanoid lovers' name is Natal (Christ). The Christ Title/name does not mean torture victim, please. We all ready paid are dues when everything was essentially for free anyway! What does it all boil down to? What I gather constantly, is that, it's somebodys' personal vendetta conjoined with another or two. Involving, get this... Physical Beauty of all things! The most expensive "whore" of(Babalyon), that we all had to paid for in some form or another. Even with Blood, Freedom, and the sanctity of our Souls.

Peace and Love,

Nanette Marie (Natalia)

Brave Freedom

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Post Re: The Truth about Lucifer
on: November 18, 2012, 10:14
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To comment on THEMADHATTER'S last thought: History never lies unless it is not true. In whole truth (not half truths) we trust. The Whole Truth shall set you free. Use discernment and common sense. If it doesn't make sense to you and it makes you feel uneasy, even in the slightest way (if you're desensitized), it's probably evil. LOVE CONQUERS ALL ( even in non-existence!).

Peace and Love,

Nanette Marie ( Natalia)

Brave Freedom

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Post Re: The Truth about Lucifer
on: November 21, 2012, 22:36
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Well if you won't trust biblical truth, thats your call. It sounds like you've been thoroughly deceived by lying tongues of demons, aliens, spirits, or whatever you want call them. Mary is the queen of heaven, the goddess of witchcraft, and Lucifer was a made up word to describe a human babylonian king. People and entities alike pray on the stupidity of popular opinion, which is almost always wrong about everything. The office of light bearer and morning star is properly attributed to Jesus.

Drake claims he's hearing from an Arch Angel calling himself Lucifer. Why would such an entity use the biblical name of the human king of Babylon? Angels usually have names that end with EL, and ET, I would suspect, have otherwordly names.

Since Drake has repeatedly heard from sources that have turned out to be complete liars, it is indisputable he is gullible and this Lucifer thing. I predict he is being deceived once again. He is right that Lucifer isn't satan or the devil. In occult circles he is indeed considered the sun god, like Apollos, Helios, or even Jesus, as he was made out to be by the pagans.

I have tried to show you what Luciferian Illuminati sun worship technology is really all about. I advise you to study this very closely, because despite countless attempts, Denise will NOT give this question to Drake. They will not discuss it:

http://mindovermatter.ru/

If you don't rely on Biblical truth, then you defer to the vain traditions of men, and religion. No religion is right, all of them have gone against the truth. The serpent has deceived the whole world. I agree there was corruptions with the Bible, especially the new testament, but Drake only mentions this briefly to keep people away from it. Even if you don't believe in it's prophecies, I gurantee the elite are going to fulfill them like a script. God is that spirit which hardens or loosens the heart.

God the great spirit within all things. The universe seen as a single conscious entity. Prophets achieved an enlightenment to the point of seeing beyond the course of time. People today have "itchy ears" they chase after whatever teachers they can find. Okay, fair enough, but don't have a closed mind. Look at things from all sides and be genuine in your heart. Thats all I ask of people.

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Post Re: The Truth about Lucifer
on: November 21, 2012, 22:53
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Isaiah 14: 12-14: “How art thou fallen from heaven , O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High”.
Popular Interpretation

It is assumed that Lucifer was once a powerful angel who sinned at Adam’s time and was therefore cast down to earth, where he is making trouble for God’s people.
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1. The words “devil” , “satan” and “angel” never occur in this chapter. This is the only place in Scripture where the word “Lucifer” occurs.

2. There is no evidence that Isaiah 14 is describing anything that happened in the garden of Eden; if it is, then why are we left 3,000 years from the time of Genesis before being told what really happened there?

3. Lucifer is described as being covered in worms (v. 11) and mocked by men (v. 16) because he no longer has any power after his casting out of heaven (vs. 5-8); so there is no justification for thinking that Lucifer is now on earth leading believers astray.

4. Why is Lucifer punished for saying, “I will ascend into heaven” (v. 13), if he was already there?

5. Lucifer is to rot in the grave: “Thy pomp is brought down to the grave...and the worms cover thee” (v. 11). Seeing angels cannot die (Lk. 20:35-36), Lucifer therefore cannot be an angel; the language is more suited to a man.

6. Verses 13 and 14 have connections with 2 Thessalonians 2: 3-4, which is about the “man of sin” - thus Lucifer points forward to another man, perhaps another king of latter day Babylon- but not to an angel.

7. It should be noted that the idea of 'morning star' is translated 'Lucifer' in the Vulgate [Latin] translation of the Bible made by Jerome. Significantly, he uses 'Lucifer' as a description of Christ, as the 'morning star' mentioned in Revelation. Indeed, some early Christians took the name 'Lucifer' as a 'Christian name' in order to identify themselves with Jesus (1). It wasn't until Origen that the term 'Lucifer' took on any connotation of 'Satan' or a force of evil; and even then it was only popularized much later in Milton's Paradise Lost . 'Lucifer' in its strict meaning of 'bearer of the light' actually was applied in a positive sense to Christian communities, e.g. the followers of Lucifer of Cagliari were called 'Luciferians'. As an aside, it's worth pointing out that they were one of the groups who insisted that the devil was not a personal being and held to the original Biblical picture of sin and the devil (2).
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1. The N.I.V. and other modern versions have set out the text of Isaiah chapters 13-23 as a series of “burdens” on various nations, e.g. Babylon, Tyre, Egypt. Isaiah 14: 4, sets the context of the verses we are considering: “Thou shalt take up this proverb (parable) against the king of Babylon...”. The prophecy is therefore about the human king of Babylon, who is described as “Lucifer”. On his fall: “they that see thee shall...consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble...?” (v. 16). Thus Lucifer is clearly defined as a man.

2. Because Lucifer was a human king , “All kings of the nations...shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?” (vs. 9-10). Lucifer was therefore a king like any other king.

3. Verse 20 says that Lucifer’s seed will be destroyed. Verse 22 says that Babylon’s seed will be destroyed, thus equating them.

4. Remember that this is a “proverb (parable) against the king of Babylon” (v. 4). “Lucifer” means “the morning star”, which is the brightest of the stars. In the parable, this star proudly decides to “ascend (higher) into heaven...exalt my throne above the (other) stars of God” (v. 13). Because of this, the star is cast down to the earth. The star represents the king of Babylon. Daniel chapter 4 explains how Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, proudly surveyed the great kingdom he had built up, thinking that he had conquered other nations in his own strength, rather than recognizing that God had given him success. “Thy greatness (pride) is grown, and reacheth unto heaven” (v.22). Because of this “he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles’ feathers, and his nails like birds’ claws” (v. 33). This sudden humbling of one of the world’s most powerful men to a deranged lunatic was such a dramatic event as to call for the parable about the falling of the morning star from heaven to earth. Stars are symbolic of powerful people, e.g. Genesis 37: 9; Isaiah 13:10 (concerning the leaders of Babylon); Ezekiel 32: 7 (concerning the leaders of Egypt); Daniel 8:10, cp. v. 24. Ascending to heaven and falling from heaven are Biblical idioms often used for increasing in pride and being humbled respectively - see Job 20: 6; Jeremiah 51:53 ( about Babylon); Lamentations 2 :1; Matthew 11:23 (about Capernaum): “Thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell” (the grave). Adam Clarke's commentary rightly notes: "The truth is, the text speaks nothing at all concerning Satan nor his fall... but of the pride, arrogance and fall of Nebuchadnezzar".

5. Verse 17 accuses Lucifer of making the “world as a wilderness, (destroying) the cities thereof; that let not loose his prisoners to their home...(that did) fill the face of the world with cities...the exactress of gold” (vs 17 & 21 R.V.; v. 4 A.V. margin). These are all descriptions of Babylonian military policy - razing whole areas to the ground (as they did to Jerusalem), transporting captives to other areas and not letting them return to their homeland (as they did to the Jews), building new cities and taking tribute of gold from nations they oppressed. Thus there is emphasis on the fact that Lucifer was not even going to get the burial these other kings had (vs. 18-19), implying that he was only a human king like them, seeing his body needed burying. Is. 14:8 records the relief that now the "Lucifer" figure would no longer cut down cedars in Lebanon and hew mountains. This is exactly the language used by Nebuchadnezzar: "What no former king had done, I achieved: I cut through steep mountains, I split rocks, I opened passages and constructed a straight road for the transport of Cedars... to Marduk, my king, mighty cedars... the abundant yield of the Lebanon" (3). Clearly the figure spoken of in Is. 14 was Nebuchadnezzar.

6. Verse 12 says that Lucifer was to be “cut down to the ground” - implying he was a tree. This provides a further link with Daniel 4: 8-16, where Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon are likened to a tree being cut down.

7. Babylon and Assyria are often interchangeable phrases in the prophets, thus, having spoken of the demise of the king of Babylon, v. 25 says, “I will break the Assyrian...”. The prophecies about Babylon in Isaiah 47, are repeated concerning Assyria in Nahum 3: 4, 5, & 18, and Zephaniah 2 :13 & 15; and 2 Chronicles 33:11, says that the king of Assyria took Manasseh captive to Babylon - showing the interchangeability of the terms. Amos 5:27 says that Israel were to go into captivity “beyond Damascus”, i.e. in Assyria, but Stephen quotes this as “beyond Babylon” (Acts 7:43). Ezra 6:1 describes Darius the king of Babylon making a decree concerning the rebuilding of the temple. The Jews praised God for turning “the heart of the king of Assyria” (Ezra 6: 22), again showing that they are interchangeable terms. The prophecy of Isaiah 14, along with many others in Isaiah, fits in well to the context of the Assyrian invasion by Sennacherib in Hezekiah’s time, hence v. 25 describes the breaking of the Assyrian. Verse 13 is easier to understand if it is talking about the blasphemous Assyrians besieging Jerusalem, wanting to enter Jerusalem and capture the temple for their gods. Earlier the Assyrian king, Tilgath-Pilneser, had probably wanted to do the same (2 Chron. 28: 20-21). Isaiah 14:13: “For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven...(symbolic of the temple and ark - 1 Kings 8: 30; 2 Chron. 30: 27; Ps. 20: 2 & 6; 11: 4; Heb. 7:26) I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation (mount Zion where the temple was) in the sides of the north” (Jerusalem - Ps. 48:1-2).

8. There's a good reason why the King of Babylon is described as "the morning star", or Venus. The Babylonians believed that their king was the child of their gods Bel and Ishtar, both of whom were associated with the planets- they thought that their King was the planet Venus.

9. The Lucifer-king was to "lie down" (Is. 14:8) in his destruction- and that Hebrew term occurs later in Isaiah with reference to the 'laying down' of Babylon's King and army in the grave (Is. 43:17)

10. Note that "the stars of God" can refer to the leaders of Israel (Gen. 37:9; Joel 3:15; Dan. 8:10), above whom the King of Babylon wished to arise.

11. The passage about "Lucifer" is alluding to and deconstructing a contemporary myth, in a manner which is common to much Biblical literature. "An ancient myth told how Heylel, the morning star (Venus), tried to climb the walls of the northern city of the gods to make himself king of heaven, only to be driven from the sky by the rising sun. In Isaiah 14:12-20 this mythis given a historical application" (4). Isaiah is mocking the myth, and saying that the King of Babylon was acting like Heylel in the myth- but would be thrown down not by another planet, but by God Himself.

12. "The mount of the congregation in the sides of the north" (:13) is surely an allusion to "the Babylonian Olympus, the [supposed] dwelling place of the gods, which was considered to be situated somewhere in the high Asiatic mountain range which forms the bounday or the Plain of Mesopotamia on the northern side, and is also the region of the source of the Euphrates and Tigris" (5). This location was on earth- not in Heaven. The King of Babylon, the morning star, didn't aspire to greatness in Heaven, but rather to mount Olympus, or possibly to the temple mount in Jerusalem [another possible interpretation of the mount on the sides of the north". The point of the prophecy is that it is Yahweh alone who is the ultimate and only God-King, reigning on His mount, the mountain of God, which is mount Zion, not Olympus.

13. "Lucifer" wishes to ascend into Heaven (:13). This is somewhat different from the scenario traditionally assumed- which is that Lucifer was in Heaven already, wanted to rise higher, and was therefore thrown down to earth because of his prideful intentions. But the text actually says that he wished to ascend into Heaven- so he was not there originally. The point has been made by that "heaven" was often how the capital city of a nation or people was perceived; for in that city the national god supposedly lived, thus making the city "heaven". The "Hymn to the City of Arbela" is an example in the Assyrian context- because of the gods who supposedly lived there, "Arbela is as lofty as heaven... O lofty sanctuary... gate of heaven!" (6). The desire to ascend into 'heaven' would therefore speak of the king of Babylon or Assyria's desire to capture Jerusalem and supplant her God- Yahweh- with their own gods. This idea of Jerusalem as "heaven" is continued in later Isaiah, where the Divine revival of Jerusalem is spoken of as the creation of a new or renewed 'heaven' (Is. 51:6,16; 65:17,18).

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